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« Reply #30 on: December 31, 2009, 06:40:49 PM »

I agree with what you've said Kuei Fei.

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« Reply #31 on: December 31, 2009, 07:39:12 PM »

I agree with what you've said Kuei Fei.

Thanks. It's just sad that Monaco has this for their face rather than someone like Rainier. A lot of the younger royals are disappointments to their parents seemingly. Rainier was so iconic and same with HM and the King of Thailand; they are giants in their own way and yet their kids have come up short. Albert and the rest need a challenge to rise to. If he had been raised in a firmer way, maybe they would not have had the scandals that happened. In all the biographies, it describes that Albert, Caroline, and Stephanie were spoiled and weren't raised like the rest of the royals of Europe; no military boot camp/training (haha), no rigorous schooling, no real family trials except Grace's death and they seem to have milked that for sympathy.

I read that Caroline had dolls that had clothes made from Givenchy, Albert multiple rocking horses, Stephanie was able to get away with murder, plus Rainier and Grace wanted to be easier parents since they were brought up so strictly. A cocktail for disaster for a royal. Plus the nearness of the Paris nightlife and the fact that they never really were brought up in an austre environment.
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« Reply #32 on: December 31, 2009, 08:16:09 PM »

I read once years ago in a NY Tabloid(maybe Cindy Adams or Liz Smith?) that people inquired about a few possibilities for Albert, one was Jodie Foster (that was quickly put to rest once info returned, there would never be interest whatsoever)

Gwyneth Paltrow was another actress reportedly thought of for Albert(but I doubt that would have ever worked either)  but she was a family friend since her childhood, her mother was part of Philadelphia Society and had become friends with Pr.Rainer years ago.  Gwyneth being in her 20's when she won her Oscar like Grace was often thought of as a possibility, but most said she was just a friend to Albert, having visited the Palace with her family as a child, over the years.


 Rainer must have at times been frustrated to see his son bringing women home every few months or years ,only to go nowhere.

I think he seems to get on well with Charlene, she might do fine (if he ever decided to marry her) I'm just not sure though, if he will. I thought he would have proposed by now, it's not like he's in his 20's , still trying to find himself.  

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« Reply #33 on: December 31, 2009, 10:27:34 PM »

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her mother was part of Philadelphia Society and had become friends with Pr.Rainer years ago.  Gwyneth being in her 20's when she won her Oscar like Grace was often thought of as a possibility, but most said she was just a friend to Albert, having visited the Palace with her family as a child, over the years.


Actually I think her mother was Jewish and not part of Mainline. Reese Witherspoon is part of MainLine society being a direct descendent of John Witherspoon. I'm going to do a bit of research and get back on that. You have to be careful when reading about actresses who claim thus or thus connections because a huge part of the Hollywood business is to stand out and be 'better' than other actresses in the industry. A lot of actresses brag about their Ivy League educations, coming from money, stuff that might be true but something that isn't exactly something that someone else in the world doesn't have.

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Rainer must have at times been frustrated to see his son bringing women home every few months or years ,only to go nowhere.

According to Robert Lacey, Rainier was indulgent about Albert's antics. Still though, it's like Albert doesn't even try to find someone decent. It really is disgusting that Albert hasn't secured the direct succession as he's supposed to. Prince Charles was practically ordered to marry Diana and while it's something to be avoided, it's no excuse to not marry someone.

If being Princess of Monaco were something to aspire to, then I'm sure a lot of women would merrily be trying to seduce Albert into a ring, decent women. I just wonder if perhaps Caroline might play a part in it. She's been First Lady for so long that while she says she would look forward to handing the reins over, I wonder if she would prefer to inherit the throne herself and keep being First Lady of Monaco and reigning princess in her own right. Supposedly Rainier was interested in Ira Von Furstenburg, but Caroline saw Ira as a threat to her position in Monaco. Caroline might be passive/agressively encouraging Albert to forget his duties in that respect.

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I think he seems to get on well with Charlene, she might do fine (if he ever decided to marry her) I'm just not sure though, if he will. I thought he would have proposed by now, it's not like he's in his 20's , still trying to find himself.

Rather reminds me of George Clooney in that respect, although Clooney was married once. Becoming less of a catch and more of a dirty old man. Diddling one tart after another and then disposing of them. If he disposes of Charlene then he'll look even worse.

I personally theorize that Clooney and Albert are waiting for women they think they deserve (successful, wealthy in their own right, professional Alpha Females), but fail to realize that while in their small spheres they are a catch, they are in the wider world liabilities. What successful businesswoman/socialite/diplomat would want someone like Clooney on their arm and get mixed up in the insane world of the entertainment industry? Actors make a ton of cash, but if you were a successful businesswoman, would you really want to throw away your solid life in favor of being arm candy.

If I were to date Clooney, people would give me the moral third degree. People would refer to me as his 'latest piece,' then automatically assume I'm some former scuzzy stripper/bartender/cocktail waitress (no offense to any out there I have a job as a cocktail waitress myself) and I would have to prove them wrong until my real career is shown to the public. Then he would expect me to walk two steps behind (all the actors do that to their wives) and be a social asset.

Why would I marry Prince Albert when I can buy my own jewels, run in those circles (which I don't but for the sake of the scenario) and have fun with my own money? I know that if I dated Clooney, I would fundamentally be wasting my time and if he did propose, I would likely jeapordize my own carefully developed life for someone who is still fundamentally mixed up. I would have to be insane to invite that chaos into my life.

People attract like. There have to be serious questions asked as to why these men attract and keep women like this. Charlene is a good catch and she IS a former Olympian, something that isn't really to be sneered at. Men like Albert and Clooney attract women like strippers/showgirls/gold diggers in general because there's something solidly wrong with their personalities that healthy men don't have.

We talk all the time about how Kate is messed up and should be avoided by a man like William and Albert is rather the same. Albert should be attracting successful, titled, wealthy women, but he isn't. It's not just the children out of wedlock (something major and NOT the fault of the kids), but the possibility of being thrown into a swamp of drama that women don't need now. If Caroline is determined to hold onto her position of First Lady then why go into a marriage that will result in a nasty tussle for power and a rightful place that should go to Albert's bride via marriage as a right?

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one was Jodie Foster (that was quickly put to rest once info returned, there would never be interest whatsoever)

Well, Jodie has a life of her own and she's not going to throw it away for something like that. It's a pity that Albert can only attract (other than Charlene) women who have nothing to leave behind. Sad all around.
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« Reply #34 on: December 31, 2009, 10:52:52 PM »

Blythe Danner is Pennsylvania Dutch ancestry
She was old Quaker background.
Moneyed father, Bank executive, she Blythe attended good private schools. Not sure if she was Mainline but did read she was somewhere.

Gwyneth's father was Jewish.

Blythe Katharine Danner (born February 3, 1943)Danner was born in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, the daughter of Katharine and Harry Earl Danner, a bank executive. She has two brothers: opera singer/actor Harry Danner and violin maker William Moennig (half-brother). Danner, of part Pennsylvania Dutch ancestry, attended George School, a private Quaker secondary school in Newtown, Bucks County, Pennsylvania, and Bard College, where she graduated in 1965. Danner first appeared on stage with the Theater Company of Boston and the Trinity Square Repertory Company (now Trinity Repertory Company) in Providence, Rhode Island. She first gained national attention at age 25 by winning the Theatre World Award for her performance in the Lincoln Center Rep's production of The Miser.
http://www.freebase.com/view/en/blythe_danner

Reese is old, old,old Southern Aristocracy and even has some Southern slave(black-white mixing) heritage running through her gene pool.
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« Reply #35 on: January 01, 2010, 12:06:07 AM »

That actually makes Gwyneth higher in social standing than Grace Kelly ironically. Still, he's running out of options that would make him appealing. As he gets older and grosser more women will be running in the opposite direction while worse women will show an interest. He either should marry Charlene or give up. Even Charles wasn't this gross.
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« Reply #36 on: January 01, 2010, 12:40:51 AM »

I agree KF.  I can't believe I'm saying this but I'll take Pr. Charles anytime even though he's a bit old.  At least he doesn't look like a disgusting ball with too many illegitimate children floating around.

If Pr. Albert is smart, he should make a run to the church with Charlene in tow.
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« Reply #37 on: January 01, 2010, 01:03:19 AM »

I agree, I think Pr. Charles would be better than Pr. Albert, he's been around the block way way too much. Gawwwwd knows what he's picked up.
I think Charlene might be the best he can do at this point, unless he gets a wedding arranged with another person. Money and titles would still be a draw for him to do so.

Most of Hollywood actresses of stature know the secrets kept by those on certain levels, who ask them out, even though crotch-shot  fanny Sharon Stone was no ingenue when she first met Pr.Albert, it was reported she asked around and wanted to know what he was up to privately.  He liked Sharon, but she's a friend only, besides, I doubt her movie scenes would have been welcomed by the Monaco Palace.  happy
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« Reply #38 on: January 02, 2010, 06:21:10 PM »

Prince Charles did what any other man would given half the chance. Same with what William is doing right now; at some point thought Charles grew up and so will William. Plus Albert is at an age where it's not even funny anymore. I cannot believe that Albert is still acting like a twenty year old who has just discovered the effect his title has had on women. I don't see William doing this and even the other Crown princes have settled down and married decent women.
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« Reply #39 on: January 03, 2010, 01:29:32 AM »

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I cannot believe that Albert is still acting like a twenty year old who has just discovered the effect his title has had on women.

Very true. That seems to be exactly how he is behaving.
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« Reply #40 on: January 03, 2010, 02:01:35 AM »

Not everyone is into Marriage even if it's Royal unamused  As long as he's happy and the woman or women he's with then so be it.  Doesn't make him a bad person not to be married or wishing to be married. IMO the women that get involved also choose to be where they are with that Royal.
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« Reply #41 on: January 03, 2010, 06:52:58 PM »

Not everyone is into Marriage even if it's Royal unamused  As long as he's happy and the woman or women he's with then so be it.  Doesn't make him a bad person not to be married or wishing to be married. IMO the women that get involved also choose to be where they are with that Royal.

True that the women choose too, but to preserve the direct line of succession, surely marrying and having an heir is simply doing what is expected. It's not asking for too much and he has his duty to do. Charlene would be perfect and I think Albert has been highly selfish in his personal life. He's had two kids out of wedlock and he could have had them in wedlock with a decent woman, not the two tarts he's had them with. Even ten years ago he could have married and had heirs. I don't doubt that Nicole has ambitions for her son and perhaps Tamera does for Jazmin. There was quite a flurry when it was confirmed and Jazmin has let herself be a sort of 'discovered princess' by the press. She even has her own foundation and I don't hear about how Jazmin has plans to get a job (for all I know) and not live off of her title/association with the Monagasque RF.

I remember reading that Rainier didn't think Stefano was good enough for Caroline, something I will never understand. Perhaps the Grimaldis are reaching a bit high. I always believe you are as good as you have to offer. Albert doesn't offer much and for all that they are literal rulers of a country, I think that they had better start reevaluating their prospects.

Maybe Kate and Co. should fly over to Monaco.
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« Reply #42 on: January 03, 2010, 07:05:48 PM »

Well put, Kuei Fei.  Thumbs up
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« Reply #43 on: January 03, 2010, 07:39:27 PM »

If there is a line to take over the succession to the throne i don't see a big deal for the Prince to Marry.
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« Reply #44 on: January 03, 2010, 08:48:41 PM »

If there is a line to take over the succession to the throne i don't see a big deal for the Prince to Marry.

You could say the same if Charles hadn't married. We wouldn't have William and Harry in their present drooling incarnations drooling. Disaster as it was, Charles did was what was expected and married to continue the direct line of succession. Andrew wasn't groomed as Heir, Charles was and I'm not sure what sort of King Andrew would make. He's kind of like Albert (Andrew) and I don't think that it would be good for the monarchy, shifting instead of preserving the direct succession.

The idea of being royal is to provide heirs with the most prestigious possible lineage. Irrespective of whether or not they like it. Charles as a fistful of the best possible lineage and Diana added more than her fair share of luster to it. If they don't to the minimum, which is to have heirs and many of them, why not let them simply party all day? Where do the standards drop? Albert is a disgrace and I really don't think that the Grimaldis are in any way admirable. A lot of people suggest passing over Charles, but it sets a toxic precedent.

Say after Charles is passed over, William has a daughter and she inherits Charles' ears? So now since she's not a 'hottie' she is supposed to be passed over. We all know how shallow the press and public can be. Then maybe because the royal in question said something wrong? Lots of people bashed Princess Anne because she wasn't the epitome of 'fairytale princess' when she was eighteen. Diana fulfilled a lot of fantasies, but she had a lot of faults that were fatal to her ability as a princess.

Albert is failing to do the BARE MINIMUM that is expected of a royal prince. Have some spud IN WEDLOCK and choose someone decent as a princess of Monaco. It's not like there's a wide pool to choose from. Impoverished royal houses have more options than forcing a princess to marry into that family, most impoverished royal houses would pass and the Grimaldi reputation gets worse and worse each year. Caroline's kids are 'hotties' but that doesn't mean they would be able to run a country successfully.

People say pass it to Caroline, but Caroline has not been groomed to run the country. She's a great First Lady I guess, but she hasn't been trained to deal with the day to day administrative work and sitting at a desk and managing a Council and planning expansion and dealing with the budget. Albert is running out of time to have and train and heir to take over.
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