Uptown Girl Kate...rumor of going to NY 2009??

[Princess H]

He wants a mommy...not a wife.

Exactly! We have said that many times!

[drwonderwoman]

What does your mom think about all of that?

[Ceridwen]

Sadly, this is true. My brother who is very bright, well-educated, kind-hearted, and attractive only dates helpless older women he has no intention of marrying!!! The family is beyond frustrated with this pattern. The woman are so pathetic, we swing between feeling sorry for them and feeling like they get what they deserve for staying with him. It is hard to watch, but these woman being so much older are so grateful to have a younger man and they cook for him, do anything for him, spoil him, etc. It is not healthy!

Thank you Princess H for sharing.      Yes, I would like to know on what your mom thinks.  I'm sure it's breaking her heart to see her son in that situation because it would kill me should that ever happen to my son.  It's a good thing that he's still young - still have years left because I don't think I'm ready.

As to "helpless old women."  I get that some men have preference for older women but what's with the "helpless."  I wonder why your brother is attracted to that.  He sounds like a nice guy & perhaps he has some kind of a "knight & shining armour complex" (or some kind of complex) that he has a need to rescue helpless women, preferably old ones.  It sort of like my brother when he was young.  He was always forever rescuing stray cats/dogs that it drove our parents crazy since my mother has so much allergies including animals.  But as to your brother, that's interesting & I hope that he'll open his eyes & dumps her one day.

[The Chocolate Princess]

He wants a mommy...not a wife.

  she doesn't come across wise and mature to me?
       
 

Sadly, this is true. My brother who is very bright, well-educated, kind-hearted, and attractive only dates helpless older women he has no intention of marrying!!! The family is beyond frustrated with this pattern. The woman are so pathetic, we swing between feeling sorry for them and feeling like they get what they deserve for staying with him. It is hard to watch, but these woman being so much older are so grateful to have a younger man and they cook for him, do anything for him, spoil him, etc. It is not healthy!

My bro just told us on X-Mas that his girlfriend is pregnant and that they planned it. We were all "Wonderful and what about the wedding?" But he doesn't want to marry her! She accepts it I even hit him and tried to force him but he can be stubborn and since she is so submissive to him there is nothing what we can do. She's from a poorer social background -(nice girl not like the social climbing golddigger Kate) but she is kinda intimidated tho we are really down-to-earth He even lets her sign contracts that he will have the right to be the father of the child but she doesn't get any of his money. Of course my parents will tend to her financially if she is in need. 
Since this incident I may understand Waity's submissiveness  I have a feeling that William has no inclination to marry Kate and would happily go on if there weren't all those people pushing him for a wedding, he'll decide against Kate if he is as doubtful of his love to Kate as I think he is. He is afraid to spend his whole life with her. I suppose he's one of the people who always strive for the best -to be the best at uni/ Airforce/... Whatever he does he is used to get the best of the best -so why not the best wife?? 

[drwonderwoman]

she doesn't come across wise and mature to me?
      
 

I was'nt referring to Kate. I was talking about PrincessH's brother. Kate can barely take care of herself let alone be a mother to anyone.

[The Chocolate Princess]

Oops sorry
I didn't read all of the last posts...

[Ceridwen]

I think the best thing Kate can do is to get a wealthy husband.  Let's face it, she would be a perfect trophy wife.  She'll have children of course (as her position demands it) but she'll have nannies to take care of them.  I think her main purpose is to take care of her man - @ least his baser needs.

[Princess H]

Thank you Princess H for sharing.      Yes, I would like to know on what your mom thinks.  I'm sure it's breaking her heart to see her son in that situation because it would kill me should that ever happen to my son.  It's a good thing that he's still young - still have years left because I don't think I'm ready.

As to "helpless old women."  I get that some men have preference for older women but what's with the "helpless."  I wonder why your brother is attracted to that.  He sounds like a nice guy & perhaps he has some kind of a "knight & shining armour complex" (or some kind of complex) that he has a need to rescue helpless women, preferably old ones.  It sort of like my brother when he was young.  He was always forever rescuing stray cats/dogs that it drove our parents crazy since my mother has so much allergies including animals.  But as to your brother, that's interesting & I hope that he'll open his eyes & dumps her one day.

Thanks Ceridwen 
He is really just doing what he has always done for his own mother, my mother has this helpless way about her and my brother spent his childhood helping his own mother out of  various scapes and problems. The funny thing is that my mother hates this relationship and is driven to despair that my brother is with this particular woman. She is really very cunning and controlling, passive aggressive, and is known to lie on occasion. We are all hoping this ends soon and my brother will find someone nice.

[Anyasha]

The only one who should be worried about being exploited is WILLIAM. Kate claims she doesn't want to be used for her "royal connections" yet she has absolutely no problem using those exact same connections to get into the royal box at races, to obtain a cut-price car and tons of free clothes, to get access to exclusive islands for one of her many vacations, to gain a ton of business for her parents, etc. Kate is just plain lazy and that's all there is to it. What an annoying, whiney hypocrite. It's no wonder she hasn't got any of her own friends.

[Lily of the Valley]

My bro just told us on X-Mas that his girlfriend is pregnant and that they planned it. We were all "Wonderful and what about the wedding?" But he doesn't want to marry her! She accepts it I even hit him and tried to force him but he can be stubborn and since she is so submissive to him there is nothing what we can do. She's from a poorer social background -(nice girl not like the social climbing golddigger Kate) but she is kinda intimidated tho we are really down-to-earth He even lets her sign contracts that he will have the right to be the father of the child but she doesn't get any of his money. Of course my parents will tend to her financially if she is in need. 
Since this incident I may understand Waity's submissiveness  I have a feeling that William has no inclination to marry Kate and would happily go on if there weren't all those people pushing him for a wedding, he'll decide against Kate if he is as doubtful of his love to Kate as I think he is. He is afraid to spend his whole life with her. I suppose he's one of the people who always strive for the best -to be the best at uni/ Airforce/... Whatever he does he is used to get the best of the best -so why not the best wife?? 

When I fell pregant with my daughter, I was only 19 nearly 20 and very naive despite being a bit of a party girl/socialite. The father of the baby left me once he found out I was pregnant. He was ashamed of me and apparently a baby and I would interefere with his plans. He wanted me to have an abortion but I refused (I thought that I loved him). He has never been involved with my child's life. My current partner and I send him updates of what is happening and how she is and he will send a birthday or christmas present but that is it. Luckily, I do not need him there for financial support. I was a trophy girlfriend for him (good connections etc.) but I don't think he ever really cared, I don't think I will ever know for sure. I was a submissive girlfriend during the time I had dated him, we had technically dated since we were 12 but I don't think it counts at that age...lol. But I can understand why Kate behaves like she does because of my own experiences. If she was like me she loves him or believes she does. It is a very difficult situation, and I was glad that I found out what my ex-boyfriend was like before I got older and possibly married him. Now, William would never behave in the way that my ex did but it goes to show that people can believe that they are in love if they want to be.

[The Chocolate Princess]

When I fell pregant with my daughter, I was only 19 nearly 20 and very naive despite being a bit of a party girl/socialite. The father of the baby left me once he found out I was pregnant. He was ashamed of me and apparently a baby and I would interefere with his plans. He wanted me to have an abortion but I refused (I thought that I loved him). He has never been involved with my child's life.

what a f***** !!! I hate such men.
I'm glad you made it and are married now with a hubby who tends to your child

The difference is that you were 19, but waity is 27  After 8 years I'm sure you were more grown up. We all made mistakes when we were teens and dated the wrong guy who seemed to be sooo cool in a "prom king kind of way" but in our late 20's many of us grew up and realized what is important in life.
I'm sorry you found it out the hard way, but I'm sure you don't regret it looking in your childs face

[Ceridwen]

Lily of the Valley, thank you for sharing your story.     I'm with TCP in that I'm happy that you found a partner who is very supportive.  Not only that but more of a father figure to your daughter than your former partner could ever be.  I don't like men like that either but you shouldn't compare yourself to Kate Middleton.  Just like what TCP said, you were very young & so to place yourself in the same level as Kate is putting yourself in an unfair position.  Kate was not a child nor a teen (like yourself) when she first dated Prince William.  She knew what she was doing starting from the beginning when she chose the same university as Prince William.  She & her family had an agenda.  I realized that we're all speculating here but I think Kate believes herself in love with the idea of being a royal princess.  I don't think it's about Prince William @ all - it's all about pursuing a dream that has been embedded in her for years. 

BTW Lily, did you deliver your second baby?  I know that you're expecting but I forgot when your due date.  Anyway, take good care my dear & more power to you & your family in the future.

[leogirl]

Kate started dating William when she was 22, and is now 27. You were 12-19 when you were with that jerk. BIG difference between a preteen/teen and a woman in her 20's.

I am glad you found someone good, too. 

[lisalisa88]

Ladies, I'm sorry to hear about your families' stories re: deadbeat Dads!  Here's some legal news:  children are born w/inherit rights called "birth rights"  meaning no parent can deny a child's right to support, property, assets, social security (if needed), etc. if he/she is related to said parent by blood.  Its nice some women will not pursue their children's right to support by their fathers due to the hostility they faced when they take the fathers (sometimes mothers) to court for child support but the truth of the matter is once a child is born, a man is legally responsible for that child no matter what contracts the mother signs.  Only a jurist (a judge) can determine if child support can be discontinued and that's if the child is not biologically related to the man (an unmarried man has the right to a paternity test to prove fatherhood).  Did any of you know that if a married woman conceives a child w/another man who is not her husband, her husband is the legal father of that child--not the biological father.  The marriage btw husband and wife protects any and all children of that marriage--regardless of how they might've been conceived.  So in the future, remember even if the father is not involved w/their child, the child is still entitled to any of its parent's estate (if any).   

[bpwriter47]

Also know, in America that if you have a baby while not married and then marry someone who is not the father and that new husband adopts that child, the child looses their right to collect Social Security if their biological parent dies and college being paid for.  these are the two rights the child receives if the bio. parent dies.....but...here's something to really think about.
 
If your husband adopts your children, if you ever divorce, he can take them through custody because he has legal rights to them.  (this is something he might use if he doesn't want to pay you child support). hope that makes sense.  yes, i was once married to a jerk also.

sorry, off topic. 

Kate does seem weak but I also think she is manipulative.  I do hope Wills starts meeting stronger women and becomes attracted to them.

And Princess H; thank you for sharing....
not all older women would cook and clean for younger men.  I'd have the man cooking for me!!     I hope all goes well in your family.  It is hard to watch a family member keep doing crazy things.

TCP, I hope you're brother's girlfriend gets a lawyer!!  No offense to your brother, but what is up with guys who get girls pregnant and want nothing to do with it then??  Sounds like your family is nice to help. 

I hope I don't sound too bitter, but I was a single mom to start with and that father decided he would not be involved and then when my son was 6; the guy killed himself.  he never saw our son and wow, did he miss out on so much.  selfish.